The Quran is a book that contains many weird prophets who have no biblical parallel to the Old or New Testament. You read the Quran and you find many strange prophets mentioned. One of these strange prophets is Idris. For a book that claims to be the eternal word of God, the Quran really falls short, in comparison to the Bible, in explaining about these prophets.
Moses is a prophet in the bible who is given extensive coverage about his life, his activities and his leadership of the Hebrew people out of Egypt. In the Quran, the same thing is also shown. However we already know about these prophets long before the Quran so it doesn't really help in trying to reiterate about them again. All the Quran basically does is just repeat the bible in many passages or it adds to the bible accounts with stories we don't find, except in the Quran itself.
Who are these other prophets in the Quran that the Bible seems to forget or leave out? With the exception of Dhul Qarnin, we don't know. If the Quran claims to be the inspired word of God then how come we don't find any information at all telling us how these prophets preached the message of God and how they were themselves chosen to follow God? Surely God would seem bright enough to provide answers to potential questions concerning the appearance of new prophets not found in the bible. However it seems that the Quran itself is suspect due to the fact that these prophets aren't elaborated on more than the mere mention or their name in a verse which is surrounded by other well-known prophets. One of these prophets mentioned in the Quran is Idris. Idris wasn't discussed in the entire Quran except in about 2 scriptures
19.56 Also mention in the Book Idrís: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:
21.85 And (remember) Ismail, Idrís, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience;
The Quran tells us in Surah 19:56 that Idris was to be mentioned in the book by Muhammad. Surely this book can't be the bible due to the fact that Mr. Idris doesn't exist at all! In the Quran we also see nothing about Idris other than his name. What is there to mention about Idris? Apparently Muhammad didn't know since he obviously didn't mention anything in the book (Quran). How was Idris a man of truth? How was Idris a prophet? The Quran gives no explanation of this statement whatsoever. When did Idris live? Again, no explanation from the Quran. Who was Idris a prophet too? Again no answers found.
Surah 21:85 says that Muslims must remember Ishmael, and Idris, along with others. The Quran continues by saying that all were men of constancy and patience. We know about Ishmael from the bible but again we don't find nothing mentioned by the Quran concerning how Idris is. How was exactly Idris a man of patience? We don't know but due to blind faith and nothing to go own, Muslims must believe this message in the Quran. So who is Idris? Here is what a Muslim named Naim said:
Naim's assertions are also verified by this source and may be the common assertion of Muslims today
Naim calls me a fool for not accepting this idea but lets investigate his claims to see the parallels of Enoch and Idris. We will also see whether Idris is indeed Enoch as Muslims like Naim claim. Read:
Genesis 5:21-24
So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died. Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. After he begot Methuselah,
Jude 14-15
In order for us to make Idris be Enoch we have to find in both the Quran and the Hadith evidence of Idris doing these things like Enoch that the bible, which was in existence before Islam, mentioned. It seemed like a great prophet like Idris should be accompanied with proof in the so-called word of God which the Quran claims to be. However, there is no such evidence from both the Quran and the Hadith, look at the 2 previous scriptures mentioned earlier from the Quran, these are the only 2 that mention Idris:
19.56 Also mention in the Book Idrís: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:
21.85 And (remember) Ismail, Idrís, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience;
None of these scriptures show anything about Idris performing anything close to the actions of Enoch. They just mention his name and that's all. Does the Hadith give any more light on this evidence? Let see: (note: If the Hadith is to long to post the part dealing specifically with Idris will be shown, this is not to post out of context but to keep the reader focused. There are many hadiths that are long in which more than one topic is discussed). All of these hadiths mentioned here are from Bukhari, the most authentic hadith in Islam.
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 345:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.' Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus.This Hadith tells us that Idris was in heaven but again no answer as to what type of activities Idris performed to get there as a prophet. If Idris was Enoch, why didn't Muhammad elaborate more on him in the Quran or Hadith to prove this statement?
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 429:
Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief. Al-Buraq, a white animal, smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me and I set out with Gabriel. When I reached the nearest heaven. Gabriel said to the heaven gate-keeper, 'Open the gate.' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' He said, 'Gabriel.' The gate-keeper,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' The gate-keeper said, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' Then I met Adam and greeted him and he said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Jesus and Yahya (John) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.' Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel said, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Gabriel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Gabriel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet added:). There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!' ThenHere again we see no reference to Idris being Enoch, if Muslims want to use the excuse about how Enoch was caught up to heaven and that Idris was in heaven, this is fallible due to the fact that all of these other prophets are mentioned too as being in heaven. Again the Hadith doesn't lend any help on how Idris could be Enoch.
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 227:
Narrated Abbas bin Malik:
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven.
When he asked for the gate to be opened, it was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has Muhammad been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the first heaven, I saw Adam there. Gabriel said (to me). 'This is your father, Adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened.
When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the third heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the third heaven there I saw Joseph. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Joseph; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fourth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excel lent visit his is!'
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 608:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The night Allah's Apostle was taken for a journey from the sacred mosque (of Mecca) Al-Ka'ba: Three persons came to him (in a dreamy while he was sleeping in the Sacred Mosque before the Divine Inspiration was revealed to Him. One of them said, "Which of them is he?" The middle (second) angel said, "He is the best of them." The last (third) angle said, "Take the best of them." Only that much happened on that night and he did not see them till they came on another night, i.e. after The Divine Inspiration was revealed to him. (Fateh-Al-Bari Page 258, Vol. 17) and he saw them, his eyes were asleep but his heart was not----and so is the case with the prophets: their eyes sleep while their hearts do not sleep. So those angels did not talk to him till they carried him and placed him beside the well of Zam-Zam. From among them Gabriel took charge of him. Gabriel cut open (the part of his body) between his throat and the middle of his chest (heart) and took all the material out of his chest and abdomen and then washed it with Zam-Zam water with his own hands till he cleansed the inside of his body, and then a gold tray containing a gold bowl full of belief and wisdom was brought and then Gabriel stuffed his chest and throat blood vessels with it and then closed it (the chest). He then ascended with him to the heaven of the world and knocked on one of its doors.
The dwellers of the Heaven asked, 'Who is it?' He said, "Gabriel." They said, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They said, "Has he been called?" He said, "Yes" They said, "He is welcomed." So the dwellers of the Heaven became pleased with his arrival, and they did not know what Allah would do to the Prophet on earth unless Allah informed them. The Prophet met Adam over the nearest Heaven. Gabriel said to the Prophet, "He is your father; greet him." The Prophet greeted him and Adam returned his greeting and said, "Welcome, O my Son! O what a good son you are!" Behold, he saw two flowing rivers, while he was in the nearest sky. He asked, "What are these two rivers, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "These are the sources of the Nile and the Euphrates."
Then Gabriel took him around that Heaven and behold, he saw another river at the bank of which there was a palace built of pearls and emerald. He put his hand into the river and found its mud like musk Adhfar. He asked, "What is this, O Gabriel?" Gabriel said, "This is the Kauthar which your Lord has kept for you." Then Gabriel ascended (with him) to the second Heaven and the angels asked the same questions as those on the first Heaven, i.e., "Who is it?" Gabriel replied, "Gabriel". They asked, "Who is accompanying you?" He said, "Muhammad." They asked, "Has he been sent for?" He said, "Yes." Then they said, "He is welcomed.'' Then he (Gabriel) ascended with the Prophet to the third Heaven, and the angels said the same as the angels of the first and the second Heavens had said.
Then he ascended with him to the fourth Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the fifth
Heaven and they said the same; and then he ascended with him to the sixth Heaven and they said the same; then he
ascended with him to the seventh Heaven and they said the same. On each Heaven there were prophets whose
names he had mentioned and of whom
The only thing we find out new about Idris in this Hadith is a contradiction. In the previous hadith from Bukhari, which is the most authentic hadith of Islam, we see that Idris was in the 4th heaven while here we see that Idris was in the second heaven!! This shows us that Muhammad couldn't even remember where Idris was stationed at in Heaven and surely it proves that Islamic history is contradictory as well as not providing any information on the character of who Idris was. You can even read in the rest of these hadiths and you will find absolutely nothing about the mysterious Idris.
Complete Sahih Muslim
001.0227 001.0309 001.0313 001.0314 004.1916 016.4139 021.4749 030.5779 031.6051 032.6246
Partial Sunan Abu Dawud
012.2207
Complete Malik's Muwatta
002.2.1.3 025.25.4.13 051.51.5.15
We see that Islamic thought of Idris being Enoch has no Biblical or Islamic standards to be based on except assertions by Muslims, so where did Idris come from and who is the so-called Great prophet? The Quran gives no clue and neither does the hadith, but history does, and it doesn't look too good in dealing with the origin of prophet Idris
There were great doubts in the hearts of many in Arabia concerning Muhammad's prophethood. Some of the contents of the Quran declare that it was not inspired by God. Lets revisit the 2 previous verses mentioned about Idris again:
19.56 Also mention in the Book Idrís: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:
21.85 And (remember) Ismail, Idrís, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience;
Idris isn't the prophet Enoch, nor is Idris even a human being read:
Here is more:
Idris or IDREESA in Arabic, is the 4th Arabic word going from right to left with the !!! directly over it.
Picture of Egyptian god Osiris and Islamic prophet Idris.
This absolutly unbelievable!! The Quran claims that Osiris the Egyptian god is a prophet!! Osiris is also known as Wesir, read:
Wesir,
Wesir is the son of Geb and Nut. He is married to his sister Aset (Greek Isis) and they have a son Heru (Greek Horus). Much of
what is commonly known about Wesir, Aset and Heru comes from the Greek myths of Isis and Osiris. In Kemetic text, Wesir's
death is attributed to drowning, not the dismemberment myth created later by Plutarch. The dismemberment myth does not appear
until a thousand years later and may not even be Kemetic in origin. Wesir, in fact, was never resurrected as many believe.
Here is more on Osirus
These two sources show that Idris, who is Arabic for Osiris is god of the underworld from Egypt!! They might differ on whether Osiris was resurrected but they both agree on the origin of Osiris.
The Quran declares that Idris, or Osiris, who was the ancient Egyptian god of the underworld, is:
Is Osiris the god of the underworld, or a prophet? According to the Quran he is a prophet!!! Osiris or Idris the ancient Egyptian god of the underworld is a prophet based on the Quran!! Remember there is no evidence at all in Islamic history or the Quran to prove that Idris was Enoch. This idea came along later with Muslims who tried to equate Idris to Enoch. This is most embarrassing because it shows that the Quran has fictional characters (to make it even worse, pagan gods) as prophets!
In the course of developing its teachings, the Quran frequently cites the example not only of prophets and sages of ancient times,
This says it all, the Quran is a book which is invented by Muhammad's fanciful mind and these erroneous legends prove this matter. If Muslims contend that Idris is Enoch then how come they can't present any proof from the Quran, first and foremost, and the Authentic hadiths to prove this matter? They can't they can only assume that Idris is Enoch.
6.25 Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it
not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the Signs, they will not believe in them; in so much that when they come
to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but
8.31 When Our Signs are rehearsed to them, they say: "We have heard this (before): if we wished, we could say (words) like
these: these are nothing but
16.24 When it is said to them, "What is it that your Lord has revealed?" they say, "
23.83 "Such things have been promised to us and to our fathers before! they are nothing but
25.5 And they say: "
27.68 "It is true we were promised this,- we and our fathers before (us): these are nothing but
46.17 But (there is one) who says to his parents, "Fie on you! Do ye hold out the promise to me that I shall be raised up, even
though generations have passed before me (without rising again)?" And they two seek Allah's aid, (and rebuke the son): "Woe
to thee! Have faith! For the promise of Allah is true." But he says, "This is nothing but
68.15 When to him are rehearsed Our Signs, "
83.13 When Our Signs are rehearsed to him, he says, "
If the Quran is using ancient Egyptian gods as prophets then the unbelievers are correct when they call the Quran TALES OF ANCIENTS. They made fun of Muhammad because they new that his stories were nothing more than mere legends of times past. My dear friends Muslims can't talk about the bible especially since Allah claimed through Muhammad that Idris, Arabic for Egyptian god of the underworld “Osiris” was a prophet. Tales of ancients? Yes the Quran is. For more information on the tomb of prophet Osiris of the Quran, shown in this picture, you can go to this link: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/osiris000216.html
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